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#48641: "Unfair randoms dice"

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Sep 17 th 2021 08:28 • tinway • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Really not fair system

Mar 20 th 2023 17:06 • M-Rolana • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Same for me! 7 doubles for the opponent. Some of them one by one.
Table number - 358585337

Mar 22 nd 2023 18:48 • SweetAnnie • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

8 games in a row, at least one player had doubles on the 3 die roll when baring off. Clearly there is an issue with the randomness of the dice at least when baring off.

Mar 22 nd 2023 20:19 • ViennaManInCA • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

I've heard the complaint of a skewed randomizer many times and I feel the same way. While possible you should see three double fives of sixes, 9:2 doubles which I faced in games lately should only happen every couple 1000 games.

I understand that these special lucky/unlucky happen more often than you would expect, still my impression is that there is a heightened number of doubles in the end game and that the weaker player is getting a better shot.

The computerized randomizer a reproducible algorithm unless provided with a random seed.

Either way if you win you feel like you are cheating, if you loose you feel like you are cheated. Either way not a good experience.

Apr 13 th 2023 02:29 • crumkt • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Have played 2 games in 2 days....each day/game the opponent had multiple doubles on 3 successive rolls in the game on their turn..not possible in a real life roll of the dice....go ahead BGA roll the dice and tell me how many rolls it took you to get 3 of sets doubles one after the other.......not happening especially during the duration of one game.

Apr 16 th 2023 00:25 • Thatcham • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

There are far too many doubles, qnd frequently biased to one player.

Apr 27 th 2023 09:02 • empja • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Games turn very one sided. Too many doubles in clusters and usually for only one person. 6's show particularly frequent. Spoils the strategy when one person get's doubles repeatedly while the other gets 1-2 and 1-3.

Apr 27 th 2023 13:03 • gennstone • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

I agree after playing several games there are far too many doubles given out to one player. Sometimes I benefit and sometimes it is my opponent. There is definitely a skew in the game which means it isn't really a fair representation of the game.

Apr 27 th 2023 13:06 • gennstone • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

This report should be combined with report 45143 which already has some votes too, they are similar reports.

Jun 2 nd 2023 20:52 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Ce bug devrait être jugé prioritaire.
Toutes les considérations ci-dessus sont exactes et vécues par moi, en tant qu'usager gratuit puis comme membre premium, depuis quelque trois ans.
J'ajouterais ceci encore: il est fréquent et presque systématique que le logiciel favorise les plus gros joueurs, i.e. plus haut placés dans les résultats.
Dernière partie: Jouer à 9 doubles contre un seul est absolument inéquitable.
Cela provoque de la frustration et chez certains une quasi-agressivité.
Ou alors le joueur lésé se plaint à l'autre joueur avantagé et ce n'est pas plus agréable.
Merci de donner suite

Jun 3 rd 2023 00:31 • a_trex • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

there's nothing realistic about the number of doubles that get rolled in these games. We need a better random dice generator that behaves more like real life...

Jun 4 th 2023 07:46 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Please review the program for the doubles repartition
No possibility to have fun playing with the actual system
Some times, it seems the program is untuned... and mainly unfair

Jun 7 th 2023 19:57 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#384900257
Aucune logique dans la victoire attribuée en finale au joueur haut placé dans les scores. Les dés de la dernière séquence l'ont systématiquement avantagé.
Et cela s'est reproduit à nombreuses reprises dans une multitude de parties au fil des semaine et des mois. Le programme avantage les très bons joueurs, c'est clair pour tous les joueurs avec qui j'ai échangé.
Merci de donner suite.

Jun 8 th 2023 09:04 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#385072445
Toujours le même problème
7 doubles contre 2 ?
Et les doubles à répétition en fin de partie quand le jeu de l'autre joueur est bloqué ou désavantagé?
Lassant
REVOIR LE PROGRAMME
Merci

Jun 11 th 2023 23:59 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Le problème est systématique. Doubles en trop ou pas assez, répartition inéquitable.
Impossible de remonter la côte avec ce logiciel ou alors cela ne dure pas.
J'abandonne BGA

Jun 17 th 2023 23:06 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Problème maintes fois répété chez divers joueurs
Rendre plus équitable la répartition des doubles entre les partenaires au long de la partie.
Je réfléchis sérieusement à abandonner mon abonnement Premium

Jun 18 th 2023 16:19 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Backgammon #388375824
5 doubles pour mon adversaire, trois dès le début, et aucun de mon côté de toute la partie
Aucun plaisir. J'ai concédé.
REVOIR LA PROGRAMMATION

Jun 22 nd 2023 23:07 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#389807591
Partie gagnée par moi mais inéquitable.
5 doubles contre aucun pour mon adversaire
Quand allez-vous corriger cette iniquité qui gâche le plaisir de tous ?

Revoir la programmation !!!

Jun 26 th 2023 21:56 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#391053883

I do not undestand why the problem persist after all thoses reports
Cette fois-ci, 7 doubles pour le vainqueur moins expérimenté contre un seul pour une bonne joueuse.

Jun 30 th 2023 07:54 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#392133153
6 doubles against none beetween two excellent players.
Unfair

PLEASE REVISE THIS PROGRAM

Jul 7 th 2023 07:57 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

Je n'en peux plus de cetre programmation
7 doubles pour un débutant contre 1 pour une ex-experte

Abandon de BGA en vue

REVOIR CE PROGAMME

Jul 15 th 2023 00:08 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#396918450
7 doubles contre 1 seul
Même dans l'arène

REVOIR LA PROGRAMMATION

Jul 20 th 2023 08:52 • cboers18 • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

boardgamearena.com/archive/replay/230719-1002/?table=398686849&player=88401650&comments=88401650;

The dice appear to have knowledge about the current state of the game. Imagine the incredible luck of having just 9 pieces left on the board while your opponent has only moved 2 pieces the entire game. Watch the above match roll by toll. The lopsided luck is quite incredible.

I have noticed that if I begin the game with "good luck", then that luck tends to persist through the game, with more doubles than my opponent and hitting more blots. If I begin with "bad luck", I'll tend to roll doubles when I'm caught on the middle and unable to use them.

Jul 21 st 2023 10:06 • Mrgn • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

#399039327

RIDICULOUS game
8 doubles against 1

No challenge
No fun

REVISE THAT PROGRAM

Aug 13 th 2023 17:35 • antagog • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

In three separate games, after I roll a 5-5, the opponent also rolls 5-5.

Sep 27 th 2023 21:50 • Ged54 • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

The virtual dice are not even close to being realistic. The number of doubles generated is totally out of proportion. The allotment and timing of the doubles is often totally lopsided as well.
If it is BGA's idea that this makes for more exciting game play you could not be more wrong.
In a game like Backgammon, where strategies are based on the probabilities of certain rolls, inaccurate dice destroy the game completely.

Nov 16 th 2023 17:45 • Lookaffe • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

14 double in a match!!
it's embarassing...
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=440071696

Jan 10 th 2024 12:37 • glopat • Tega predloga še niso analizirali razvijalci:

I can only add to the crowd's dissatisfaction. Please ilmplement a true random dice system ans stop manipulating the draws for suspense
if you want leave the current system as it is and implement a paralle version with a true random algorithm
PLEASE DO SOMETHING

Jan 10 th 2024 19:01 • bidulpik • Razvijalci menijo, da to ni dobra ideja ali da je razmerje med stroški in koristmi preveliko:

Hi,
our randomizer is correct. The statistical distribution is mathematically proven by the 5 millions of backgammon games played on BGA since the game is online, which is just a incredibly huge statistic panel.

You can find more information here
bkgm.com/articles/GOL/Jul99/hank2x.htm
forum.boardgamearena.com/viewtopic.php?t=13097
en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Main_game_logic:_yourgamename.game.php#About_random_and_randomness

To reduce the random impact of the game, you can try the alpha backgammon matchplay game, with several points goal and the doubling cube.

Best regards

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